ASDF Help Thread. [Serious]

[lunar_furor]

The reason you don't like these things is because you've been tricked into not liking them, man. You hate cheating because you think it's morally wrong, and you think it's wrong because thats what the world has taught you. The world taught you this because of the evil grip of religion that presses the image of sex as dirty thing into our mind, when really its all we were born to do. People should be able to love one another freely, with no jealousy. Marriage is just a trap. A trap to imprison your soul and take away the enjoyment you and your partner once had!

And about the smoking and drinking, that's not everybody's thing. It's perfectly normal to not like them, just by looking at regular users/abusers.

I wasn't raised religious, and I would punch you in the face if I could to be honest, as a friend. I hate cheating, not because religious pressure, but because of my logic and reasoning that I don't want to be an ass to the ones I love. For someone who hasn't had love his whole life cheating is spitting in my face. Marriage is also not religious, nor a trap if you actually do it right. I find sex to be a beautiful thing between two people, not some discarded trash activity to toss around because it feels good. I'm seriously surprised and disappointed by that statement, I quit this thread.

My friend made a good point. The reason may be that we hate people doing what we dislike is because our mind doesn't make the connection that it's not us doing the act and by letting it happen we may feel we are the ones doing it.

There's a difference between free love and orgies (frivolity) and cheating, one is a willing act by all parties, the other is a vile act of betrayal against someone who loves you. I don't care if everyone want's to fuck each other go ahead it may bother me but I won't hold it against you. But I hear of you cheating on your loved one and I will make a big deal of it.

[keja]

But that's the thing, why must love be between two people? Why not 3? Or maybe a second lover each? It's because it is taught that it is wrong. Perhaps not coincidentally, it is chiefly taught by groups who are also against homosexuality, and in some cases, pairings of different ethnicities.

[atomtengeralattjaro]

it is taught by a far broader part of society.. and there isn't anything wrong with it. Besides, if someone is not happy with it, they can always have more lovers, that is, if all the lovers agree. That wouldn't be the same kind of love, but i don't doubt it would be love.

[lunar_furor]

But that's the thing, why must love be between two people? Why not 3? Or maybe a second lover each? It's because it is taught that it is wrong. Perhaps not coincidentally, it is chiefly taught by groups who are also against homosexuality, and in some cases, pairings of different ethnicities.

I just pointed out above, that I said there would be nothing wrong with it IF ALL PARTIES CONSENT! A love between two people may be drilled but people don't love just one person because of it, it's not like everyone out there says gee if it weren't for social standards i'd love to have someone else in this relation ship. People in a relation ship who think such things either cheat, or talk about it. I feel if you have to betray someone to be happy, then you need to grow some balls and suck it up. If you can't just learn to talk about your differences or you have major issues with your significant other to the point where you need to betray them then you need to leave the relationship because all you're going to do is hurt them out of pure selfishness.

[assdef]

So old man here with his old man views, but I'm not sure life is always that black and white. Sure I would like it to be, but there's a reason that Facebook offers the relationship status of "It's complicated" as a choice.

Sometimes life will throw you a curveball, like two people having feelings for you, and you having feelings for both of them. And I'm not sure someone is a "better person" because s/he commits to one and hurts the other, as opposed to taking the risk of hurting both of them but loving both at the same time (even if they don't know). There is an adage that states it's only cheating if you get caught.

In any case, to keja's point, who are we to judge what other people do in relationships?

[keja]

Isn't that my point?

[lunar_furor]

So old man here with his old man views, but I'm not sure life is always that black and white. Sure I would like it to be, but there's a reason that Facebook offers the relationship status of "It's complicated" as a choice.

Sometimes life will throw you a curveball, like two people having feelings for you, and you having feelings for both of them. And I'm not sure someone is a "better person" because s/he commits to one and hurts the other, as opposed to taking the risk of hurting both of them but loving both at the same time (even if they don't know). There is an adage that states it's only cheating if you get caught.

In any case, to keja's point, who are we to judge what other people do in relationships?

If it were anything else I'd agree, but I take my views on love, and friendship and not being a douche to those who try helping you more seriously than my atheism (which I take very seriously). I understand if two people love you and you love them, but if you tell them you love them and there isn't anyone else, and there is, you are bold faced lying about a very important fact, and ruining the most important part of a relationship, trust. It's not only cheating if you get caught, that's like saying it's only murder if you get caught, or theft. If, however, they both know they both love you and you love both of them and that's fine with them but they don't care about each other, then w/e as long as everyone's fine with it. There's nothing wrong with having a girlfriend, and having good friend girls, as long as what you do with them would be fine with your girlfriend. Polygamy, great example, and I support anyone who does that constructively. I don't care if you're dating your cousins as long as everyone's happy. I respect you guys quite a bit and this may be a 'mildly heated' conversation, but I in no way would go behind keja's back and sell him out for x thing, or befriend you assdef and then talk trash about you. I have the strong feeling that if you are being helped, loved, befriended by someone you don't hate, you should in no instance be an ass when it's possible. If I have to go and talk trash about keja to save his or my life, sure I'll do it, I'm sure he'd be fine with it too we're both alive and he would know I didn't mean it, but only when you cannot avoid it. I would probably have to think very very hard about betraying my love to live, I may live but that is going to eat, at least, my conscious and I would hate my self for a while for it. Like I said, I personally believe in the law that says if a woman (china I believe) catches the man cheating, he may be (this part I don't like as much) be put to death or something like that. Basically I find it should be a crime, personally.

[keja]

Well that's just silly.

[lunar_furor]

What part, and why. Are you saying being a douche to the people who love you or your friends is completely acceptable?

[assdef]

Agree to disagree.

[keja]

The death sentence for putting your willy in two different women.

[lunar_furor]

Look keja I thought you were more rational than this, how many times can I say it. IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE PERSON! IT'S THE FACT THAT ONE OF THEM DOESN'T KNOW, AGREE, OR CONSENT! If you don't want a part in that kind of relationship WELL WOOPIE FUCKING DO THIS IS EARTH AND GUESS WHAT YOU CAN WELCOME TO FREEDOM! It's like you've stopped listening and gone to trolling. I gotta take a hiatus from this place. It's even got to where the best of the users have let me down, what's the point of being here.

[atomtengeralattjaro]

Lunar? dude. Chill.
i think keja understood all that. He just doesn't think that cheating should be officially a crime. And he probably has a different opinion than yours. On which he didn't provide many arguments.. So what? Yeah he kinda answered your long post in just several words, but that shouldn't upset you. Frankly, nothing a dude says on a forum should ever upset you..

i think you REALLY need to take things more easily here.. and i don't mean you can't have a serious conversation.

[assdef]

Agree to disagree.

[lunar_furor]

Lunar? dude. Chill.
i think keja understood all that. He just doesn't think that cheating should be officially a crime. And he probably has a different opinion than yours. On which he didn't provide many arguments.. So what? Yeah he kinda answered your long post in just several words, but that shouldn't upset you. Frankly, nothing a dude says on a forum should ever upset you..

i think you REALLY need to take things more easily here.. and i don't mean you can't have a serious conversation.

I suppose. I just thought the arguments here would be a little better than "Society has been drilling it ergo it's wrong so no." I take that stuff very seriously, almost lost a best because of it, twice. Once was attempted suicide, he was never depressed before that, and was his first girlfriend. The second time she told the guy she was cheating with that doc was hitting on her because he didn't know she was dating, I had to help him defend him self against this big mother father. Only one of my friends cheated, I told him to tell her and quit and try to fix things, he said no, I told her and he tried to beat me up, I defended my self fine and we haven't spoke since. It's one of those things I sadly can't let slide. But I'll just drop it before I get too pissed. That, and spreading stupidity are the things I cannot tolerate.

[ForrestKeys]

Lunar, you are awesome.

[lunar_furor]

I'm many things. Over appreciated, under paid, alive, white, and tall. I would consider awesome one of those things I am.

[Sora2]

I think today's society, mainly in America, is crap.

[RaigekiOkami]

I believe Society on the whole, is... flawed, in a way. People refuse to see all sides, instead seeing one side or another. It isn't always black or white. Balance is the key to true happiness and acceptance, and society, unfortuneatly, has forgotten or ignored this. people have different views. This is fact. Who are we to say that because they're different, they're wrong. There are some things... that aren't acceptable. murder, rape. These things have no justification. However, Polygamy, religions, lifestyle choices, or even your own life and death. These things cannot be decided by Society, yet Society tries to decide them anyway. Society says something is wrong and offers no debate. It shuns what it doesn't like. However, it learns, at times. At times of greatest strain. That is why War is one of the greatest ways to get Society to move along, because it strains it so.

I believe one day, Society WILL accept those things it refuses now... When presented with a greater enemy. Does anyone have an opinion on what that enemy could be? The new pariah? This is my reason for posting this here. What does everyone think could happen to CHANGE society.

[Flying Sheep]

people have different views. This is fact. Who are we to say that because they're different, they're wrong. There are some things... that aren't acceptable. murder, rape. These things have no justification.

That's a little bit hyppocritical in a way.I don't think murder and rape is acceptable either, but you're in no position to outright say it's wrong no matter what. There are people who think it's OK, and I think we need to accept that, until they actually start killing people, which means we do need to take action. But then society is wrong in the fact that someone did something they deem wrong, so therefore they are punished.